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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:47:00 -
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Why would I fly an Osprey over a missile Scythe. The Scythe gets:
The same number of launchers.
10% damage bonus on any damage type, not just kinetic.
Significantly more PG.
Bigger Drone bay.
Is faster.
Has a smaller sig radius.
You nee to rethink the Scythe. Shield boost and 5% damage per level would be my vote. |
Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:33:00 -
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Chiming in with the 'leave the SFI alone' crowd. It is no longer the go-to medium beast it once was. I can consistently kill them in rail T1 Vexors!
I also support the idea of a Caldari hybrid faction Cruiser - currently there are zero. And do we really need/ want 3 of 8 faction cruisers to spam missiles?
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.03.27 20:21:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:omen navy getting less turret damage than it already HAS. and less hitpoints than its RIVAL THE STABBER FLEET in every category. and the stabber fleet is untouched? seruiosly
UNACCEPTABLE. this makes no sense that the top of the line amarr navy cruiser has LESS ARMOR THAN ITS RIVAL.
The Navy Aug is the new Amarr brawler:
6.75 effective Turrets
2 medium Neuts
AB
Medium cap booster
Scram
1600 mm plate
EANM x 2
DC
HS x 2
TE
Trimarks x 3
The current NOmen is not going to be able to compete with that. They HAD to go Sniper with it. |
Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.03.30 16:55:00 -
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The Navy Vexor is what every drone aficionado has been begging for. The drones will have the speed, endurance, and damage output that the Algos offers. It will also have the Tristan's tracking bonus which is VERY powerful.
Navy Omen will be to the Zealot what the Stabber is to the Vagabond. (Stabber had not been successful so far)
Navy Osprey is still silly weak next to a missile Scythe. |
Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.03.30 21:57:00 -
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Liang, I agree with what you're saying. But I kind of feel like the Navy Omen is what the Omen should have angled towards originally. |
Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.04.05 23:17:00 -
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Will the Navy Faction Scythe, Augorer, Osprey, and Exequeror all have their LP cost brought up from 30k to 45k? Maybe get a blueprint variant as well? |
Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.04.06 23:26:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:Will the Navy Faction Scythe, Augorer, Osprey, and Exequeror all have their LP cost brought up from 30k to 45k? Maybe get a blueprint variant as well? No, the better question is whether the LP cost of the VNI, ONI, SFI, and CNI be reduced to 30k? :D
I have 15 Navy Augs on the market in Amarr. Shhh!  |
Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.04.13 00:13:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Jiji Hamin wrote:
Do you think the NOmen would be good with five guns, tracking and optimal bonuses? Also, how do the devs conceptualize the Navy Cruiser/HAC comparison? I always thought that they designed navy cruisers to be more well rounded (navy ships in general) whereas T2 often had more deisgn focus (HACs in perticular always havign speed, resists native to the hull and ample range bonuses), and so the old Nomen/Zealot comparison made sense in that context, just like the SFI/Vaga comparison makes sense as well. Are they retooling the NOmen to be on a progression path towards the Zealot now rather than being a sibling hull tha emphasizes different elements (IE, HAC focuses on pew pew, speed and tank, faction has utility high, drones) or maybe a bit of both?
Anyway, I would love a dev post at some point explaining the "theory" being navy ships vs particular classes of T2 ship, even if it is just to confirm that Navy ships are designed to be "generalists" and AFs/Inties/HACs have more role focus. Also, an explicit articulation of what the role focus is or will be for HACs would be super sweet as well.
I actually don't think that the new NOmen is on a "progression path" towards the Zealot. I think it fulfills an entirely different role than the Zealot. I just contend that it should look a bit more like a Zealot than an Ishtar. More damage bonus, less drone bay, overall EFT damage nerf, overall practical damage buff. /shrug -Liang
The Slicer and Retribution coexist. The Navy Omen and Zealot will too. The Omen still needs to be dragged behind the shed though. |
Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:36:00 -
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I finally fit up a Navy Aug on SISI. I have a genolution set as well as energy damage implants on my TQ Amarr clone so I carried those over as well:
High:
Heavy Pulse II x 3
Medium Unstable Fluctuator x 2
Mid:
10MN AB II
Medium Cap Booster II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler
Low:
1600mm RT Plate
EANM II x 2
DC II
Reactive Hardner
HS II x 2
Rigs:
MACR
Trimark x 2
Three Warrior II drones. Wheeee!
The in game fitting screen had me at 66k EHP. I was getting 640 DPS with conflag overheated. 419 DPS with Scorch (22km optimal + 5km falloff) That overheats to about 480 DPS. This ship is going to be scary.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2013.05.13 15:16:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:...This ship is going to be scary. Scary fat, slow and dead .. Plated AB fit = fat and slow. Abysmal tracking and no fight control = dead. Neuts are ineffectual against buffers and all but laser ships as blasters all have injectors thanks to more mids plus much lower cap usage. With no real speed or ability to control it even frigs will a major threat as their *new* higher base speeds is enough to defeat M.Pulse tracking even without propulsion .. and three drones are not going to do much of anything. It looks good on paper, but I fear that the limitations set by current meta game and those inherent in lasers with only three mids will give it a very small niche. But a super-dense brick with sharp edges and room for a cyno is just what the doctor ordered for bait operations. Jokes on the people who adopt that use when cyno nerfs hits .. provided null doesn't manage to whine themselves out of that one.
I would point at the Maller. It has become a very powerful fleet ship in FW while using an AB and three mids. Fleets of Mallers backed by Augorers have torn apart Minmatar SFI fleets. It also uses an AB and only has three mids. This ship will fit very nicely in those fleets. It has half an effective turret more to go along with two medium neuts and a nicer tank. Time might force it to be a fleet ship - but it will be very nice there.
Also - In my experience two medium neuts trump a cap injector on anything cruiser or smaller. Even if you don't get immediate gratification - they have to survive a very long time under that neut pressure while going through the NAug's tank. Corpmates with LG slaves were getting 100k EHP fits on the thing. |
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